Raines hired by Blue Jays, according to report

Happy New Year! Let’s try to make 2013 a good one, ok?

Newark Bears manager Tim Raines goes over the ground rules with home plate umpire Matt Beaver and Lancaster Barnstormers manager Von Hayes before a game in 2009 (Photo credit: Paul Hadsall).

Newark Bears manager Tim Raines goes over the ground rules with home plate umpire Matt Beaver and Lancaster Barnstormers manager Von Hayes before a game in 2009. (Photo credit: Paul Hadsall)

Baseball reporter Mel Antonen says that potential Hall of Famer Tim Raines has been hired by the Toronto Blue Jays as an outfield and base-running coach. Antonen didn’t offer any details, so this could be a major league or minor league assignment… it could possibly even be a part-time spring training instructor gig.

For what it’s worth, the Newark Bears website still lists Raines as the team’s director of player development. (Update – January 2nd: The Bears confirmed that Raines is leaving their organization.)

Yesterday was the last day for voters to submit their Baseball Hall of Fame ballots; the results will be announced on Wednesday, January 9th. Last year, Raines received 279 votes (48.7%), up from 218 (37.5%) in 2011, 164 (30.4%) in 2010, and 122 (22.6%) in 2009, his first year on the ballot.

Do you think Tim Raines will be elected to the Hall of Fame this year?

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Posted on January 1, 2013, in Baseball, Newark Bears and tagged , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 8 Comments.

  1. Yay! That’s reason #3 to root for the Jays next season. Tim Raines HOF 2013.

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  2. I suspect the Jays hired TR in expectation that he’s going to make the Hall threshold this year, just as the Mets did with Bob Gibson (IIRC).

    Me, I don’t hardly think anybody belongs in the Hall until Gil Hodges and, so long as they keep Gil out (and, for that matter, Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose), I really can’t take them seriously. Being elected to a Hall of Fame that doesn’t include Gil Hodges (or Jackson or Rose) isn’t an honor, its a joke.

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  3. Raines could be another Gossage or Rice and get in in his 14th or 15th year on the ballot. Hopefully it’s sooner rather than later.

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  4. The Hall of Fame debates were fun when we were discussing the merits of guys like Raines or Gossage, but when they turned into referendums on who was “clean” and who wasn’t, they lost their appeal to me.

    A Hall of Fame that includes Ty Cobb but excludes Gil Hodges can’t pretend that character is an important consideration for voters. A Hall of Fame that includes Gaylord Perry can’t claim that it’s against cheaters. So who gets in and who doesn’t has less and less meaning for me each time I have to read about one of the sportswriters with a ballot pontificate on the steroid era.

    That said, I’m rooting for Tim Raines this year – mostly because I want to see how (or if) the two New Jersey teams he’s been connected with choose to recognize it.

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    • Raines was, arguably, the second best leadoff man in history. Unfortunately, he played in the shadow of the first.

      I agree with you about the “character” aspect, Paul. But it’s possible that Raines hasn’t been elected because of his drug issues. It was reported he slid headfirst so he didn’t break the crack vial in his back pocket. Don’t know how true that is as people say lots of stuff.

      I also agree with you about Hodges. Unfortunately, as a player, he was just very good. But it’s arguable that he might have been in the top two of NL firstbasemen for the 1950s, Kluszewski being the other and I’m not sure if you’d count Musial as a 1B or OF. And, as a manager, though he was superb and those who played for him (and with him) hold him in reverence he didn’t last long enough. But the sum total of all is greater than the sum of his parts and I’d consider him akin to Joe Torre and I’d vote both in.

      As for the Bears still listing Raines on its staff, all I can say is that, going by their website, Ken Oberkfell managed there all of last season, too.

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      • The people who played during the era will tell you there was none better, at the time, than Gil Hodges. None. Klu isn’t even close. Clearly, you’re not even considering defense in your evaluation. People who played during the era will tell you Gil might have been the best defensive first baseman ever.

        To try and find a statistical reason for Gil’s exclusion from the Hall is misguided. Its just politics and always has been.

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  5. I think Raines makes it in eventually, but not this year. Perhaps Raines is still spry enough that he could also be used as a pinch-runner on occasion as well🙂
    As for The Hall, we all have our favorites. The biggest problem with the entire Hall debate is that it’s never really been clear who or what a HOF’er is. Basically, it’s been “We know one when we see one” for 70+ years now, and few people are satisfied with the overall results. I’d like to see an alternate, private-sector HOF challenge the one in Cooperstown. No reason why it couldn’t happen.
    Happy New Year,
    Bill

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  6. MJ,

    I was considering defense. And I considered Hodges in the top two of NL firstbasemen of the ’50s as Klu was pretty valuable to his team too, though he was generally mediocre on defense. But it was Hodges who was the firstbaseman on five NL champions during the decade, which trumps Klu by a wide margin.

    A key player and leader on a team that won six NL championships when he was a full-timer has to be worth something. So, sorry, I guess he should be considered the #1 NL firstbaseman of the ’50s. That makes me wrong. He should be considered on that alone. But the total of all if definitely HOF-worthy too.

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